On the subject matter of “With the Victimized, White, Upper-Middle Class Male”

You may remember my poem by the title of, “With the Victimized, White, Upper-Middle Class Male”. The title alludes to one man’s self identification, and the body holds one girl’s sentiments in response to that man’s action.

The general phenomenon exists outside of all these particularities, however, and I’ve finally addressed the phenomenon itself in essay rather than art. While I’ve wanted to share my opinion, Facebook has seemed too relational a platform for the impersonal natures of the poem and essay, neither of which are meant to “be about” specific people, interactions, or relationships.

So now, pardon my prose.


Frequently when a woman calmly and rationally begins to mention a specific aspect of women’s empowerment or systemic misogyny, a man in the room will immediately make a cynical joke about how all men are evil.

This oft repeated and dull joke is a vague shaming and protest, reportedly against whoever out there is both taken seriously and acting like all men are evil.

The man making the joke will say that he’s not protesting the woman speaking or what she is saying. He will say he is not opposed to those fighting against misogyny itself.

However, his making the joke in response to the woman’s words implies, whether accurately or not, that he is protesting the woman, her words, and her fight. This undermines the woman and her words, and is not lost on anyone. It is most absorbed by the people who most need not to absorb it- The young, the ignorant, the misogynists, women, and the woman speaking herself.

The shaming protest, being in the best case scenario extremely off topic, in addition to implying that it’s about the woman, makes the man’s misfortune out to be more important than the woman herself, and certainly more important than her misfortune that she is addressing.

She who was by implication attacked must now soothe a man she never attacked in the first place, and after the very dull conversation where all acknowledge that they believe all the proper things, no one has the energy to discuss the subject she’d only begun to speak one sentence about, and quite frankly, she is scared to bring the topic back up.

How carefully must she tread to not be lumped into the group that was just attacked in response to her first few words? How does she talk about a system we’re all apart of when a man in the room just fervently bemoaned how guiltless he is in the system?

And how quickly will a triggered man who typically denies her the dignity of conflict tear her argument apart now that her argument threatens him.

In the already vulnerable position she’s in, exacerbated by this moment’s new vulnerability, can she articulate herself well enough to stand up to the onslaught? Probably not. Can she articulate what the man himself just did to her? Less likely.

But in the aftermath of all the times I’ve been silenced, I’m trying.

Men and women, perhaps you’re prone to make these jokes because you’re thoughtlessly repeating what you’ve heard before. Okay. Please stop.

But please, if you care about a topic, ask questions or listen for the second sentence when someone mentions it. Even if the first whiff smells like something you might not appreciate the whole of.

And if you care about misogyny, please respect and be sensitive to the woman speaking to you! Even if you are wounded too.

And finally, consider that if you frequently protest man-haters in response to someone who’s not speaking hatefully towards men, then perhaps what you take issue with is not what you think.

18 thoughts on “On the subject matter of “With the Victimized, White, Upper-Middle Class Male”

    • I’m still trying to figure out why you’re linking my post to labels, group collectivism, thought experiments, or Seinfeld. 😉 Did you think I was simultaneously claiming to suffer from something AND never have experienced it?


    • Listen to her argument, and respond to it.
      Rather than cutting her off in a belittling manner, claiming that what you’re belittling is not anything she herself is saying.


    • Right. I mean you should respond with your argument that responds to her argument.

      It’s like if a person of color started to say the slightest thing about systemic racism or mentioned something having the slightest to do with the empowerment of people of color. And I, as a white person, immediately chimed in bitterly with, “Well, we all know that all white people suck,” or “What that article means is all white people suck.”

      I wouldn’t be letting the person speaking finish what they’re saying, and I wouldn’t be addressing what they’re saying. I’d just be responding in a vague and inarticulate, critical, judgmental, and shaming manner, in response to the mere fact that the person mentioned the topic or esteemed people of color at all!

      Then I’d proceed to claim that I too am opposed to racism of course, and that THIS person is not what I’m critical of, which would be me defending myself and my comment. Making it harder than it already was for the other person to articulate why my behavior just affected them negatively.

      Does that make any more sense? Thanks for engaging me on this, by the way.


      • Yeah that definitely broadens the scope for engagement and understanding. Makes more than enough sense now.
        It’s important to listen and respond without bias and preconceived understandings

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      • If you’ve got tips on where my initial post could use editing to make it clearer, let me know! 🙂


      • It’s good. Maybe you could put one or two examples of cynical jokes so it doesn’t seem like all responses that don’t entirely support the argument are generalised as cynical and belittling

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